They use the same battery as your power tools. Milwaukee grinders will get a job done. the 20v Max crowd can use this mower. I did say Well use 20V Max and 60V Max as the voltage, instead of 18V and 54V nominal.. Or half the amph of the 2 total amp hours of the 2 batteries used. How we test gear. One reason for the larger DeWalt 20v batteries: Flexvolt batteries arent available at all retailers. -12V Max Slimline (Original 1.5 and 2Ah models.) https://hdsupplysolutions.com/ProductDisplay?urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10054&categoryId=10408&productId=1897271&urlLangId=-1&langId=-1&top_category=&parent_category_rn=&storeId=10051. 24 HP Kawasaki Gas Hydrostatic Commercial Zero-Turn Mower, X548 48 in 26 HP Kawasaki EFI Gas Hydrostatic Commercial Stand-on Zero-Turn Mower, 2X20V MAX* 21-1/2 in Brushless Cordless Push Mower. Your email address will not be published. Batteries) Agreed 100% with you, and with Jared and Jon here too. 23 HP Kawasaki Gas Hydrostatic Commercial Zero-Turn Mower, X554 54 in Kawasaki EFI Gas Hydrostatic Commercial Stand-on Zero-Turn Mower (26 HP), HW48 48 in. What Cordless Power Tools Should Dewalt Launch in 2019? Rear Wheel Drive Self-Propelled Mower Kit, 33 in. Can This Machine Finally Hunt Down Dark Matter? I suspect the reason they dont is that people would break the kits apart just for the batteries. With FlexVolt, the power and performance ceiling is a lot higher, and so is the floor. Despite their marketing it a 20V Max they are really just 18 volt nominal (Qty 5, 3.6V nominal cells in series). Just explaining how to boost a battery that is flat from inactivity seems like rocket science to many people even mechanics! I am pretty sure its 2x20v meaning 40v . With the tool being 20V Max, Dewalt can offer the same mower with different battery kit options, with some practical constraints based on desired performance, runtime, and retail pricing. Designed for contractor use, this mower is also an ideal choice for homeowners who already have a collection of Dewalt 20V MAX tools. Nominal voltage should be used rather than peak/max voltage. They have just launched the new mower and it is paired with two 5.0Ah batteries instead of the 10.0Ahs. -20V Max/XR Slimline (1.5, 2, 3, 4, and 5Ah Slim/Flat Batteries.) *Maximum initial battery voltage (measured without a workload) is 40 volts. Popular Mechanics participates in various affiliate marketing programs, which means we may get paid commissions on editorially chosen products purchased through our links to retailer sites. Just want to point our that the watt hour calculations are incorrect. Milwaukee HO used anywhere near their capacity needs a lot of care and understanding when the battery gets hot and trips out. However, the basics remain the same, and so well start there. The price would still need to be around $500 to be compelling to me. (New [emailprotected] Batteries). I have seen this firsthand doing some steel fab with a buddy of mine, he has the M18 9 cutoff saw and I have the Flexvolt. Additionally, the 2x20V MAX mower features an on-deck LED light board which signals state-of-charge for each pack and indicates when a recharge is needed. But 60 is much better for more potential. 
Should obviously read, Dewalts 20V Max batteries Brushless Cordless Push Mower, Z160 60 in. I didnt see Kingsleys reply when I was typing mine, but I have similar sentiments. This is where I get confused. This is a very tricky topic, and there are actually several good questions here, and so Ill break things down a bit. I would prefer a 20v max mower, but kitted with 2x 9ah Flexvolt batteries. Please refine your selection. Okay, so the 20V Max 6Ah batteries is their smallest next-gen battery, with 8Ah and 10ah offering greater charge capacity and runtime. Sometimes you can grab a battery off a shelf or rack, and just pick the one you want, but if you have to ask someone for it, even just to hand you one you already own, what is their designation size-wise? Most companies offer best deals In a kit. That is correct. Maybe the similar styling of the new 20V Max 6Ah, 8Ah, and 10Ah batteries confuse things a bit? ?/Large (6, 8, 9, 10, 12Ah Advanced? Whats the Point of a Dual-Trigger Cordless Band Saw? The following are trademarks for one or more DEWALT power tools, accessories, anchors and concrete adhesives: The yellow and black color scheme; the D-shaped air intake grill; the array of pyramids on the handgrip; the kit box configuration; and the array of lozenge-shaped humps on the surface of the tool. Each cell manufacturer lists the capacity available at different charge points, and the difference between 4.1 and 4.35v (usually the ultimate max before boom) is under 5%. Sure, Dewalt could also design a 120V Max 2x FlexVolt mower, with larger cutting blade, but they havent, at least not yet. Is Cell Count going to be understood by everyone? Maybe they go all in and offer a FlexVolt riding mower that is 4x60v, who knows. Standard packs have less stuff in them. It would take a lot longer to explain, say, Milwaukees system with the added complexity of M18 HO vs. standard M18. anyway. I bet they didnt do that to avoid confusing users about how much voltage the mower needed, but that would allow me to use those high-capacity mower batteries with my Flexvolt tools. You can unsubscribe at any time. I agree. Dont know about voltage. I believe its so that Dewalt can make these tools available to a broader user base than if they were FlexVolt-specific models. Dewalt designed their mowers within the power delivery capabilities of their 20V Max batteries. Your session is about to timeout due to inactivity. While Milwaukees strategy leaves power gaps at least in theory, you can understand m12 and m18 in about 10 seconds. The decision to include new Australian mowers with 5Ah batteries instead of 10Ah can be due to supply constraints (the 10Ah is still very new and hard to find on its own), cost considerations, the average size of lawn most users in this region might expect to mow, or a combination of these and potentially other factors. (New 5Ah chunky block battery.) Even after reading your analysis twice I still have no idea why multiple systems need exist. In a 2x 20V Max configuration, this means 240 Watt-hours of energy is available to the cordless mower. 344 cc Gas Gear-Drive Wide-Area Walk-Behind Zero-Turn Mower, 2X20V MAX* 21-1/2 in. Sign up to receive the latest info on new DEWALT products, special offers and more. The difficult part is that Dewalt uses 20V Max in their on-battery watt-hour calculations, and so the choice was to either contradict what it says on their batteries, or to alter how I usually discuss watt-hour calculations. I think well likely be seeing a pro model larger self-propelled mower from Dewalt, perhaps around the time the 15ah flexvolt batteries hit? Personally I think they will make a FlexVolt model eventually. This mower would be useless to me (I live on a rural property of several acres), but if I had a smaller suburban yard then Id agree 100%. Seems pretty simple to understand to me. Its not perfect, but Dewalts nomenclature seems simple enough to me. What else dont they fit? I just wanted to note that your watt-hour calculations are a bit off.
Batteries built with 21700-sized cells are commonplace now, but FlexVolt still has a place. I have built and bought several of them for making my own battery packs, it is is needed to sort cells into groups that act the same, so they can be put together in the battery pack. With so many companies playing with voltage numbers, a 120v mower would seem like a marketing edge even if it didnt actually result in any performance increase. Dewalts new cordless mowers that launched in the USA, which Ben recently reviewed here, are bundled with 10Ah batteries, presumably because Dewalt wanted to provide specific minimum runtime performance. , https://toolguyd.com/dewalt-cordless-mower-20v-vs-flexvolt/#comment-1409257, Price-Drop: Knipex Cobra & Diagonal Cutter Pliers Set, Milwaukee M4 Cordless Screwdriver is 10 Years Old, Still no RedLithium USB, ToughBuilt Reload Utility Knife Review Fun & Functional, ToughBuilt Reload Utility Knife Review - Fun & Functional, Tool Brands' USA Expansion Updates - Dewalt, Milwaukee, Makita, Lowe's Launched a New Kobalt 4V Cordless Screwdriver, Potential users who do not own any Dewalt cordless power tools, 20V Max and FlexVolt cordless power tool users, FlexVolt 60V Max/120V Max cordless power tool users. The secret is to read everything out loud instead of silently reading. The same batteries that work with over 100 of their tools and products. But when it comes to runtime, 2x 20V Max tools would hold a runtime advantage compared to single-battery FlexVolt solutions. I mean we still need to explain the need dewalt had for 18v and 20v when they switched to lithium. You may be able to find more information about this and similar content at piano.io, The 9 Best Wood Splitters for Any Size Wood Pile, 9 Best Paint Rollers for a Perfect Paint Job, The Best Safety Glasses to Protect Your Peepers, How to Accurately Cut With a Circular Saw, The Best Paint Sprayers for Projects of Any Size, Repair Stripped Threads with Professional Results, The Best Lawn Mower Blades for Residential Mowers. I can see why Dewalt want the mowers to be 20V based, but there shouldnt be a 10ah 20V battery in their range. Ideally, there could or would be both, but thats always possible. The mowers come with the standard DEWALT 3 year limited warranty, 1 year free service, and 90 day money back guarantee. The only tools Ive come across where they didnt fit was some of the old radios. Its so simple you dont need to know (or even care about) the designations. Flexvolt packs cost more to manufacture than standard 20V packs.
For more heavy duty use the new 40V Dewalt DCMW290H1 is an even better choice. This is widely known fact, and for the sake of this argument (comparing 20v max to 60v max) it is irrelevant. The one is attachment capabile and that I might have to go buy. 3.6V x 5 would result in 18V, not 18.5V. If the mower draws enough current that it really needs two batteries but it were able to operate on one, it would have a miserably short runtime, overheating issues, etc, when customers misused it on one batt, and that would negatively affect public opinion of the product. Here in the NA market it is called the DCMW220. Never wouldve thought Id look forward to getting some slip-joint pliers, but they sure, I have 4 different small factor 4v-8v screwdrivers but using this one when I need to tighten some delicate things., I definitely dont think think calling a ball bearing pivot assisted is a good idea, it makes no sense to, If theyre using the words EDC, and are using the words assisted to refer to the ball bearing pivot, that, I dont believe I have the patience to learn to use let alone need to buy yet another variation of, Some of the other Crescent knives from the last year or two are actually really excellent for the money. Single Lever Height Adjust Ranging From 1.5 In. Not to mention any 20v power tools. Gear-obsessed editors choose every product we review. Could 3 Particles on a Tie Lead Us to D.B. I realize its not like you cant use those 10ah 20v batteries on other tools but hooking one to the end of your impact driver would be silly. As far as I know, but read your fix again. Dewalt has jumped into the game by introducing two new cordless lawn mowers, one of which is powered by their 20V MAX and 20V/60V Flexvolt battery platform, which is the same battery that runs their cordless power tool lineup. I did this for the sake of brevity and consistency, and to avoid creating unnecessary tangents. Its night and day. Dewalts 20V Max 6Ah battery is their smallest battery that uses larger form factor Li-ion cells. This was not an arbitrary choice, and perhaps I should have elaborated on it, but I worried it would have drifted too far from the main discussion. Also, as most of you know, Dewalts cordless power tools are marketed as 18V and FlexVolt 54V in most parts of the world, and 20V Max and FlexVolt 60V Max in North America. Short answer: Thank you, I am aware of this, but I deliberately adhered to Dewalts calculations methodology for the purpose of this post. There could also be performance differences, depending on how the the tools are engineered. I wasnt inviting that argument per se. I know that the larger batteries (in general) will give some tools a bit more grunt. They both offer a 20-inch metal deck, a folding handle for upright storage, and carrying handles for easy transportation. Sure, Id consider picking one of those up for the spots where the orange beast is too large to fit. It could be set up with a 20V motor and the batteries in parallel, or it could be set up with a 40V motor and the batteries in series. I am a DeWalt customer from Australia and am wondering if you know why they do not call any of the large Ah 18V/20V batteries Flexvolt. The 18.5v is important, thats what lets you use the 20v packs on the older 18v pod tools, because its only a half volt off. A 2x flexvolt mower would settle my power concerns. Additionally, all FlexVolt batteries so far (excluding the upcoming 15Ah) are built with (15) Li-ion battery cells. Cells. Instead making a 2 x 18 volt moweryes. 2. I was looking for direct access to tooltalk from here, and then my brain finally registered the toolguyd forum button. You can unsubscribe at any time. Move up to 100 pounds, and both teams will lift the weight, but with very different levels of easiness and speed. The best way to measure capacity is with a watt meter if you really want to get accurate. ?/Standard (Original 3Ah, 4Ah XR, 5Ah XR Cube Batteries) Sometimes people on here just have never used the bigger tools and batteries. At least one of the 2 major complaints would be solved. To calculate watt-hours, you use the nominal voltage, which for lithium ion batteries is 3.7v. Timothy is a lifelong DIY enthusiast who is fixated on smart home tech, beautiful tools, and wrenching on his FJ62 Land Cruiser. Either solution could provide the same power. Please remove them. The power complainers say if the grass is a bit long, or their type of grass is harder to cut, or if the grass is a little damp, as well as other similar complaints. FlexVolt batteries can handle the power needs of 20V Max and FlexVolt tools, while the 20V Max batteries are only designed for the maximum power requirements of 20V Max cordless power tools.
Expect FV18Ahr or a 21Ahr later on. By signing up you agree to receive emails from DEWALT with news, special offers, promotions and other information. If you have a 50 pound weight, either team can lift if. *FREE, next-day delivery on most orders to most areas. That sounds like a trivial problem. However, it seems JavaScript is either disabled or not supported by your browser. -20V Max/XR/Oil Resistant ??? Winter is coming, wont be worrying about mowing lawn much longer.
Should obviously read, Dewalts 20V Max batteries Brushless Cordless Push Mower, Z160 60 in. I didnt see Kingsleys reply when I was typing mine, but I have similar sentiments. This is where I get confused. This is a very tricky topic, and there are actually several good questions here, and so Ill break things down a bit. I would prefer a 20v max mower, but kitted with 2x 9ah Flexvolt batteries. Please refine your selection. Okay, so the 20V Max 6Ah batteries is their smallest next-gen battery, with 8Ah and 10ah offering greater charge capacity and runtime. Sometimes you can grab a battery off a shelf or rack, and just pick the one you want, but if you have to ask someone for it, even just to hand you one you already own, what is their designation size-wise? Most companies offer best deals In a kit. That is correct. Maybe the similar styling of the new 20V Max 6Ah, 8Ah, and 10Ah batteries confuse things a bit? ?/Large (6, 8, 9, 10, 12Ah Advanced? Whats the Point of a Dual-Trigger Cordless Band Saw? The following are trademarks for one or more DEWALT power tools, accessories, anchors and concrete adhesives: The yellow and black color scheme; the D-shaped air intake grill; the array of pyramids on the handgrip; the kit box configuration; and the array of lozenge-shaped humps on the surface of the tool. Each cell manufacturer lists the capacity available at different charge points, and the difference between 4.1 and 4.35v (usually the ultimate max before boom) is under 5%. Sure, Dewalt could also design a 120V Max 2x FlexVolt mower, with larger cutting blade, but they havent, at least not yet. Is Cell Count going to be understood by everyone? Maybe they go all in and offer a FlexVolt riding mower that is 4x60v, who knows. Standard packs have less stuff in them. It would take a lot longer to explain, say, Milwaukees system with the added complexity of M18 HO vs. standard M18. anyway. I bet they didnt do that to avoid confusing users about how much voltage the mower needed, but that would allow me to use those high-capacity mower batteries with my Flexvolt tools. You can unsubscribe at any time. I agree. Dont know about voltage. I believe its so that Dewalt can make these tools available to a broader user base than if they were FlexVolt-specific models. Dewalt designed their mowers within the power delivery capabilities of their 20V Max batteries. Your session is about to timeout due to inactivity. While Milwaukees strategy leaves power gaps at least in theory, you can understand m12 and m18 in about 10 seconds. The decision to include new Australian mowers with 5Ah batteries instead of 10Ah can be due to supply constraints (the 10Ah is still very new and hard to find on its own), cost considerations, the average size of lawn most users in this region might expect to mow, or a combination of these and potentially other factors. (New 5Ah chunky block battery.) Even after reading your analysis twice I still have no idea why multiple systems need exist. In a 2x 20V Max configuration, this means 240 Watt-hours of energy is available to the cordless mower. 344 cc Gas Gear-Drive Wide-Area Walk-Behind Zero-Turn Mower, 2X20V MAX* 21-1/2 in. Sign up to receive the latest info on new DEWALT products, special offers and more. The difficult part is that Dewalt uses 20V Max in their on-battery watt-hour calculations, and so the choice was to either contradict what it says on their batteries, or to alter how I usually discuss watt-hour calculations. I think well likely be seeing a pro model larger self-propelled mower from Dewalt, perhaps around the time the 15ah flexvolt batteries hit? Personally I think they will make a FlexVolt model eventually. This mower would be useless to me (I live on a rural property of several acres), but if I had a smaller suburban yard then Id agree 100%. Seems pretty simple to understand to me. Its not perfect, but Dewalts nomenclature seems simple enough to me. What else dont they fit? I just wanted to note that your watt-hour calculations are a bit off. Batteries built with 21700-sized cells are commonplace now, but FlexVolt still has a place. I have built and bought several of them for making my own battery packs, it is is needed to sort cells into groups that act the same, so they can be put together in the battery pack. With so many companies playing with voltage numbers, a 120v mower would seem like a marketing edge even if it didnt actually result in any performance increase. Dewalts new cordless mowers that launched in the USA, which Ben recently reviewed here, are bundled with 10Ah batteries, presumably because Dewalt wanted to provide specific minimum runtime performance. , https://toolguyd.com/dewalt-cordless-mower-20v-vs-flexvolt/#comment-1409257, Price-Drop: Knipex Cobra & Diagonal Cutter Pliers Set, Milwaukee M4 Cordless Screwdriver is 10 Years Old, Still no RedLithium USB, ToughBuilt Reload Utility Knife Review Fun & Functional, ToughBuilt Reload Utility Knife Review - Fun & Functional, Tool Brands' USA Expansion Updates - Dewalt, Milwaukee, Makita, Lowe's Launched a New Kobalt 4V Cordless Screwdriver, Potential users who do not own any Dewalt cordless power tools, 20V Max and FlexVolt cordless power tool users, FlexVolt 60V Max/120V Max cordless power tool users. The secret is to read everything out loud instead of silently reading. The same batteries that work with over 100 of their tools and products. But when it comes to runtime, 2x 20V Max tools would hold a runtime advantage compared to single-battery FlexVolt solutions. I mean we still need to explain the need dewalt had for 18v and 20v when they switched to lithium. You may be able to find more information about this and similar content at piano.io, The 9 Best Wood Splitters for Any Size Wood Pile, 9 Best Paint Rollers for a Perfect Paint Job, The Best Safety Glasses to Protect Your Peepers, How to Accurately Cut With a Circular Saw, The Best Paint Sprayers for Projects of Any Size, Repair Stripped Threads with Professional Results, The Best Lawn Mower Blades for Residential Mowers. I can see why Dewalt want the mowers to be 20V based, but there shouldnt be a 10ah 20V battery in their range. Ideally, there could or would be both, but thats always possible. The mowers come with the standard DEWALT 3 year limited warranty, 1 year free service, and 90 day money back guarantee. The only tools Ive come across where they didnt fit was some of the old radios. Its so simple you dont need to know (or even care about) the designations. Flexvolt packs cost more to manufacture than standard 20V packs.
For more heavy duty use the new 40V Dewalt DCMW290H1 is an even better choice. This is widely known fact, and for the sake of this argument (comparing 20v max to 60v max) it is irrelevant. The one is attachment capabile and that I might have to go buy. 3.6V x 5 would result in 18V, not 18.5V. If the mower draws enough current that it really needs two batteries but it were able to operate on one, it would have a miserably short runtime, overheating issues, etc, when customers misused it on one batt, and that would negatively affect public opinion of the product. Here in the NA market it is called the DCMW220. Never wouldve thought Id look forward to getting some slip-joint pliers, but they sure, I have 4 different small factor 4v-8v screwdrivers but using this one when I need to tighten some delicate things., I definitely dont think think calling a ball bearing pivot assisted is a good idea, it makes no sense to, If theyre using the words EDC, and are using the words assisted to refer to the ball bearing pivot, that, I dont believe I have the patience to learn to use let alone need to buy yet another variation of, Some of the other Crescent knives from the last year or two are actually really excellent for the money. Single Lever Height Adjust Ranging From 1.5 In. Not to mention any 20v power tools. Gear-obsessed editors choose every product we review. Could 3 Particles on a Tie Lead Us to D.B. I realize its not like you cant use those 10ah 20v batteries on other tools but hooking one to the end of your impact driver would be silly. As far as I know, but read your fix again. Dewalt has jumped into the game by introducing two new cordless lawn mowers, one of which is powered by their 20V MAX and 20V/60V Flexvolt battery platform, which is the same battery that runs their cordless power tool lineup. I did this for the sake of brevity and consistency, and to avoid creating unnecessary tangents. Its night and day. Dewalts 20V Max 6Ah battery is their smallest battery that uses larger form factor Li-ion cells. This was not an arbitrary choice, and perhaps I should have elaborated on it, but I worried it would have drifted too far from the main discussion. Also, as most of you know, Dewalts cordless power tools are marketed as 18V and FlexVolt 54V in most parts of the world, and 20V Max and FlexVolt 60V Max in North America. Short answer: Thank you, I am aware of this, but I deliberately adhered to Dewalts calculations methodology for the purpose of this post. There could also be performance differences, depending on how the the tools are engineered. I wasnt inviting that argument per se. I know that the larger batteries (in general) will give some tools a bit more grunt. They both offer a 20-inch metal deck, a folding handle for upright storage, and carrying handles for easy transportation. Sure, Id consider picking one of those up for the spots where the orange beast is too large to fit. It could be set up with a 20V motor and the batteries in parallel, or it could be set up with a 40V motor and the batteries in series. I am a DeWalt customer from Australia and am wondering if you know why they do not call any of the large Ah 18V/20V batteries Flexvolt. The 18.5v is important, thats what lets you use the 20v packs on the older 18v pod tools, because its only a half volt off. A 2x flexvolt mower would settle my power concerns. Additionally, all FlexVolt batteries so far (excluding the upcoming 15Ah) are built with (15) Li-ion battery cells. Cells. Instead making a 2 x 18 volt moweryes. 2. I was looking for direct access to tooltalk from here, and then my brain finally registered the toolguyd forum button. You can unsubscribe at any time. Move up to 100 pounds, and both teams will lift the weight, but with very different levels of easiness and speed. The best way to measure capacity is with a watt meter if you really want to get accurate. ?/Standard (Original 3Ah, 4Ah XR, 5Ah XR Cube Batteries) Sometimes people on here just have never used the bigger tools and batteries. At least one of the 2 major complaints would be solved. To calculate watt-hours, you use the nominal voltage, which for lithium ion batteries is 3.7v. Timothy is a lifelong DIY enthusiast who is fixated on smart home tech, beautiful tools, and wrenching on his FJ62 Land Cruiser. Either solution could provide the same power. Please remove them. The power complainers say if the grass is a bit long, or their type of grass is harder to cut, or if the grass is a little damp, as well as other similar complaints. FlexVolt batteries can handle the power needs of 20V Max and FlexVolt tools, while the 20V Max batteries are only designed for the maximum power requirements of 20V Max cordless power tools. Expect FV18Ahr or a 21Ahr later on. By signing up you agree to receive emails from DEWALT with news, special offers, promotions and other information. If you have a 50 pound weight, either team can lift if. *FREE, next-day delivery on most orders to most areas. That sounds like a trivial problem. However, it seems JavaScript is either disabled or not supported by your browser. -20V Max/XR/Oil Resistant ??? Winter is coming, wont be worrying about mowing lawn much longer.